Comments on: PIC based Arduino http://www.youritronics.com/pic-based-arduino/ DIY, Electronics, IT, Gadgets Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:46:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Laci http://www.youritronics.com/pic-based-arduino/comment-page-1/#comment-23054 Laci Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:07:35 +0000 http://www.youritronics.com/?p=1710#comment-23054 @SVF: the PIC compilers available from Microchip are optimization feature limited after 30/60days, this can be found on the official site. Meaning that after the "trial" the binary size can increase by 30-40%. Although i think Microchip has the cheapest low-end development boards, the pickit bundle is unbeatable. Lets not compare any C compiler with the Arduino's own language, its just ain't fair, Arduino is for people who don't want to get into the details, they just want to do something fast, and with minimal effort. For example, I ain't a PC programmer, but i used National Instruments CVI IDE to write some applications, I didn't cared that wasn't Object Oriented, the generated code was kinda messy, but I didn't had the time to dig into Visual C++ or Borland controls. For many, arduino or similar products offer a great opportunity to create something, without extensive HW/SW knowledge. Just for the sake of clarity I am not an Arduino fan, never been, never will be :) @SVF: the PIC compilers available from Microchip are optimization feature limited after 30/60days, this can be found on the official site. Meaning that after the “trial” the binary size can increase by 30-40%. Although i think Microchip has the cheapest low-end development boards, the pickit bundle is unbeatable.
Lets not compare any C compiler with the Arduino’s own language, its just ain’t fair, Arduino is for people who don’t want to get into the details, they just want to do something fast, and with minimal effort.
For example, I ain’t a PC programmer, but i used National Instruments CVI IDE to write some applications, I didn’t cared that wasn’t Object Oriented, the generated code was kinda messy, but I didn’t had the time to dig into Visual C++ or Borland controls.
For many, arduino or similar products offer a great opportunity to create something, without extensive HW/SW knowledge.
Just for the sake of clarity I am not an Arduino fan, never been, never will be :)

]]> By: Florin http://www.youritronics.com/pic-based-arduino/comment-page-1/#comment-23044 Florin Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:40:00 +0000 http://www.youritronics.com/?p=1710#comment-23044 I agree that the free versions of PIC compilers would produce more compact code than the Arduino IDE but as you’ve said Arduino is great for people who have no real interest in learning too much. Its great for skipping some of the steps you would do on another dev platform. Me personally I don’t like it much, I don’t have one and I don’t think I’ll get one soon. I agree that the free versions of PIC compilers would produce more compact code than the Arduino IDE but as you’ve said Arduino is great for people who have no real interest in learning too much. Its great for skipping some of the steps you would do on another dev platform. Me personally I don’t like it much, I don’t have one and I don’t think I’ll get one soon.

]]> By: SVF http://www.youritronics.com/pic-based-arduino/comment-page-1/#comment-22955 SVF Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:41:00 +0000 http://www.youritronics.com/?p=1710#comment-22955 I'm really failing to see how people get away with writing off the C compilers available for the PIC family as "not full featured" or "limited." There are FREE C compilers available for PICs that support full ANSI C and even include many other compiler-specific functions to make life easier. I understand that limiting and abstracting functions in the Arduino environment is nice for the beginner, but I'm really getting sick of all the PIC compilers being written off as "limited." As if the Arduino IDE isn't?! Besides, those free compilers are free versions of "pro" level software. The only things you really lose going to the free version are some low-level optimizations. The code is still fairly compact and perfectly functional. I seriously doubt that the Arduino IDE will produce more compact code than the free versions of PIC compilers, and if not then it is not even a valid argument if the "limited" PIC stuff is still less limited than the Arduino. Yet everyone bemoans the PIC as having an expensive toolchain, and limited compilers, and some even have the misconception that you HAVE to program in assembly and oh, the humanity! But the Arduino is the most functional and capable system in existence! Give me a break. The Arduino is simple and thus great for people who have no real interest in learning to program or learning about the hardware they are using. They'll blink some LEDs, call themselves hackers, and then forget about all of it a year later when the ready-made blink routines start to run out of functionality in the Arduino IDE, and they never really learned how to program in the first place. I’m really failing to see how people get away with writing off the C compilers available for the PIC family as “not full featured” or “limited.” There are FREE C compilers available for PICs that support full ANSI C and even include many other compiler-specific functions to make life easier.

I understand that limiting and abstracting functions in the Arduino environment is nice for the beginner, but I’m really getting sick of all the PIC compilers being written off as “limited.” As if the Arduino IDE isn’t?!

Besides, those free compilers are free versions of “pro” level software. The only things you really lose going to the free version are some low-level optimizations. The code is still fairly compact and perfectly functional. I seriously doubt that the Arduino IDE will produce more compact code than the free versions of PIC compilers, and if not then it is not even a valid argument if the “limited” PIC stuff is still less limited than the Arduino.

Yet everyone bemoans the PIC as having an expensive toolchain, and limited compilers, and some even have the misconception that you HAVE to program in assembly and oh, the humanity! But the Arduino is the most functional and capable system in existence! Give me a break.

The Arduino is simple and thus great for people who have no real interest in learning to program or learning about the hardware they are using. They’ll blink some LEDs, call themselves hackers, and then forget about all of it a year later when the ready-made blink routines start to run out of functionality in the Arduino IDE, and they never really learned how to program in the first place.

]]> By: jeanyves http://www.youritronics.com/pic-based-arduino/comment-page-1/#comment-5911 jeanyves Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:32:45 +0000 http://www.youritronics.com/?p=1710#comment-5911 @rahman: just follow the link !!! @rahman: just follow the link !!!

]]> By: rahman http://www.youritronics.com/pic-based-arduino/comment-page-1/#comment-5873 rahman Sun, 25 Jan 2009 02:59:31 +0000 http://www.youritronics.com/?p=1710#comment-5873 hello, i found your web by search, do you have scheme for that microcon? hello, i found your web by search, do you have scheme for that microcon?

]]> By: Florin http://www.youritronics.com/pic-based-arduino/comment-page-1/#comment-5871 Florin Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:35:54 +0000 http://www.youritronics.com/?p=1710#comment-5871 Hello Jeanyves and thanks for the info. Hello Jeanyves and thanks for the info.

]]> By: jeanyves http://www.youritronics.com/pic-based-arduino/comment-page-1/#comment-5869 jeanyves Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:57:57 +0000 http://www.youritronics.com/?p=1710#comment-5869 hi, on this site : http://www.hackinglab.org/ you can get the details of a free arduino like system based on simple pic device, and also you get a free ide environment for windoze, mac and linux like the arduino. hope this helps ! regards, hi,
on this site : http://www.hackinglab.org/
you can get the details of a free arduino like system based on simple pic device, and also you get a free ide environment for windoze, mac and linux like the arduino.
hope this helps !
regards,

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